Participants:
Clint Curtis — Attorney, Computer Programmer, and Election Integrity Advocate
Attorney Robert N. Rust III — USA Citizens Network Interviewer
Interview Date:
November–December 2024 (Post–November 2024 General Election Interview)
Originally Published:
November 20, 2024
Re-Published:
June 2026
Summary
In this follow-up USA Citizens Network interview recorded after the November 2024 General Election, Attorney Robert N. Rust III welcomes Clint Curtis back to discuss election integrity, computerized voting systems, election certification, and proposed election reforms. Curtis argues that election-integrity concerns should be addressed regardless of which political party wins an election and maintains that public confidence requires election results that can be independently verified by citizens.
Curtis discusses the history of electronic voting machines, the impact of the Bush-Gore election controversy, the Help America Vote Act, election litigation, certification deadlines, and the difficulty of challenging machine-tabulated results after an election is certified.
A major focus of the discussion is Curtis’s recommendation for publicly observable hand counts at the precinct level. He directs viewers to HandCountUSA.com and argues that elections should be hand-marked, hand-counted, video-recorded, and verifiable by ordinary citizens rather than controlled by machines or political insiders.
Key Topics:
2024 election aftermath, election certification, electronic voting systems, hand-counted ballots, HandCountUSA, ballot images, voting machine contracts, election transparency, voter confidence, election verification, public observation, precinct-level hand counts
Selected Quotes from Transcript
“Once you take control of the environment, once you are the programmer, you own that universe.”
Video Time: ~03:00
Transcript PDF Page: 2
“You can’t see it at all.”
Video Time: ~03:15
Transcript PDF Page: 2
“The laws are written so that he can’t get past certain thresholds.”
Video Time: ~05:50
Transcript PDF Page: 8
“Once that certification happens, any other thing you find doesn’t matter.”
Video Time: ~06:20
Transcript PDF Page: 8
“You must follow the validation exactly as the machine provider tells you to do it or you violate your contract.”
Video Time: ~08:45
Transcript PDF Page: 10
“It has to be hand counted, hand marked.”
Video Time: ~12:10
Transcript PDF Page: 11
“The programmer that actually is counting your vote also is creating that image.”
Video Time: ~12:40
Transcript PDF Page: 11
“We can build a process where people could actually know exactly that their elections were counted correctly.”
Video Time: ~21:00
Transcript PDF Page: 15–16
“The people need to control their own elections.”
Video Time: ~30:35
Transcript PDF Page: 20
“Don’t do that here. This is the only chance to keep us from having Russian elections.”
Video Time: ~36:45
Transcript PDF Page: 22
Transcript Runtime:
Approximately 38 minutes
Note: Video times are approximate transcript timestamps. Page references correspond to the transcript PDF.
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