CIA Officer: Venezuela’s Election Hack is Operating Inside US Machines Right Now
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Former CIA Officer Gary Berntsen sits down with Joe Pags to expose the specific “Venezuela Code” hidden inside the architecture of US election systems. Berntsen, a career intelligence officer, breaks down how software originally designed for Hugo Chávez to manipulate elections in Venezuela was exported globally and remains active in American voting machines today.
#ElectionIntegrity#GaryBerntsen#CIA In this explosive interview, Berntsen reveals the “God Mode” administrator access that allows for vote adjudication, the role of Chinese hardware in US infrastructure, and why he believes the 2020 election involved specific anomalies in Georgia and Arizona. He details the $6.9 Billion in USAID funding linked to global election interference and explains why “paper ballots” are the only national security solution left. Key Topics Covered: The specific “Venezuela Code” architecture inside US machines. How “God Mode” allows operators to alter vote counts undetected. The connection between Smartmatic, Dominion, and foreign interference. Details on the 315,000 uncertified ballots in Georgia. Why the “Fox News Settlement” was a strategic cover-up. 0:00 – The “Venezuela Code” (Intro) 0:45 – CIA Officer: It’s An Inside Job 2:15 – The Software Was Built for Chávez 5:30 – “God Mode”: How They Alter the Count 8:45 – 70 Countries Penetrated 12:20 – The Chinese Hardware Connection 15:10 – Georgia’s 315,000 “Ghost” Ballots 19:40 – The Fox News Settlement & The Truth 24:15 – Why We Must Ban the Machines. Welcome to The Joe Pags Show — Real Talk. No Apologies. WATCH LIVE weekdays at 6 pm Eastern and catch replays anytime. Interviews, breaking news, real conversations, and the stories the mainstream won’t cover. SUBSCRIBE so you never miss a show! LIKE | COMMENT | SHARE — Unshaken and Unafraid Playlist:
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Chapter 1: The “Venezuela Code” (Intro)
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They called it a conspiracy theory. They said it is impossible. But today, I sit down with a former CIA officer who turned whistleblower who says specific
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Venezuelan code is still inside US voting machines right now. Gary Bernson names the code, reveals the trap, and
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explains why it has not been removed yet. You can’t miss this.
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Our election systems are completely have been penetrated since almost 2008.
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uh Venezuelan software, soft co uh uh source code and software and hardware
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from China was installed in these things and the American electoral system as electoral systems in 70 countries around
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the world have been penetrated and elections have been changed u for political reasons and for money for almost 16 years. It is horrifying.
Chapter 2: CIA Officer: It’s An Inside Job
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Well, let me ask you this. Why do it?
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You’re a career CIA guy. Your guy speaks multiple languages. You’ve done operations that would blow people’s minds. You’ve been an investigator for a
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long time. I’m guessing the pension is really good. Why get involved in this? What what what triggered you to say,
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“Hold on. There’s something going on here that people need to know about cuz you you blew the whistle, which changes things for you. Although whistleblowers are supposed to be protected, you guys
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really aren’t that protected.” Why did you do this? No.
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In in 2017, I began working with a man by the name of Martin Rodil. and Martin had been an investigator
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slashconultant with the drug enforcement agency. Okay.
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So here I have a CIA background. I’m the guy that led the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. Martin Rodil who’s like the
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greatest expert on Venezuela. We join forces together to do whistleblowing against the cartel del Soul’s money
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laundering. The cartel del soul was is is the government of Venezuela was led by Maduro first Chavez then Maduro Deli
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Rodriguez, Jorge Rodriguez, Diasado Cabo. [snorts] There’s about eight big leaders of this organization and they
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have stolen and had laundered almost $2.7 trillion dollar in the last 25 years in
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oil, gold, drugs. It’s the largest transnational criminal organization in history. And we were collecting
Chapter 3: The Software Was Built for Chávez
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information, filing it with the Department of Justice and with the Department of Treasury and targeting them because as a whistlego, you get
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paid on the bank fines. Yes. Okay. And and as we were doing this, we [snorts]
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stumbled into election fraud and and and we learned that individuals, a company
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called Smartmatic kept coming up again and again and again and the people who were the financeers for the drug
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trafficking were tied to people in the electoral market, you know. Yeah. Right.
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And so when 2020 occurred, I turned to my partner and said to Martin Odal and said, “Martin, this doesn’t look right.
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There’s some real serious problems.” And then he explained to me that he had been involved in investigation 6 years earlier against Smartmatic. And he
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showed me the data. And then we had access to a couple of individual sources. And early on, they were able to
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explain to us how smartmatic was created. Three Venezuelan-American engineers were brought down there to
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assist Hugo Chavez in a recall election in 2004. How they designed the source code, which is the heart of the system.
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How they then flew off to Italy and purchased thousands of Oliveti lottery machines and transferred transition them into being election machines.
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Oh wow.
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And how they stole the first elections in Venezuela. And when they did that,
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The Carter Center was down there certifying that this was the greatest election, the most secure election in history. So, almost immediately, you had Westerners validating this abomination.
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And so once Yugo Chavez steals that first election in Venezuela,
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he invests more money in the group and then starts stealing elections all around Latin America and very quickly
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transitions Smartmatic into the United States for two elections. One in Cook County, Illinois. No surprised about
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that, right? And then the the other one is the Democratic party primary in New Jersey. And a Democratic congresswoman named Carolyn Maloney, a liberal,
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understood that there was something wrong there. She had learned it and she had an insider because that person that went to her and explained that there was
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a problem came out early on with a key technology called hat. H a t.
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Okay. And from there we start to we started recruiting more and more sources. We recruited over a dozen
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sources of that worked for Smartmatic and the Conjo National Electoral in
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Venezuela. Those bodies worked together and they had two missions. One stealing elections, the second defeating audit.
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You’re going to steal an election, you got to be able to defeat audit when they come to audit it.
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Right. and and it’s the science of this and Mr. Ralph Bazulo um who I had written Jawbreaker with
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which was a New York Times bestseller 25 years ago um 20 years ago um we briefed him and he started to work with us and
Chapter 4: “God Mode”: How They Alter the Count
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he wrote a book called Stolen Elections about our story and the story of the whistleblowers the the the sources that
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had worked for the CNE look this is 100%
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bet my life on it I have I I look I was in charge charge of the invasion of Afghanistan. I seized Kabell. I was in charge of Tora Bora. I was in charge of
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the Kobar Tower investigations, the bombings in Saudi Arabia. I was in charge of the East Africa bombings. The US government gave me responsibility to
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do some of the largest, most important investigations of violent terrorism in
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the past 25, 30 years. And so I’m telling you from that history, I’m telling you the truth. And I’ve been telling everyone the truth about this.
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and we methodically raised money,
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penetrated these organizations, and have been able to bring the information forward in Mr. Pulo’s book, Stolen Elections, and have worked with others.
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Look, there’s a gentleman by the name of Patrick Burn that was critical in financing this and he was dedicated to this. He’s wonderful uh help in this.
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Mike Flynn, General Mike Flynn, yeah,
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is is is an early believer in us and all of us have worked together. Martine and I were primarily working together because we were whistleblowers. But then
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in addition to doing the asset recovery and then doing the stolen elections which we have covered from A through Z
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and this is you know Bolt Smartmatic and Dominion. Then we stumble into train Delaragua. Other sources that we had
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tell us, you know, they’ve taken these gang members that were working on a project from to build a train from
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Caracus to a place called Ara in Venezuela. The the business went went bankrupt. So the 2,000 union members became a criminal enterprise [snorts]
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doing kidnappings, extortion, murder,
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drugs. A lot of them wind up in a prison. There’s an assault on the prison. 17 of them are killed. But the
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president learn of Venezuela learns that hey this is a really organized gang. He puts a phone into the into the prison starts coordinating with them and
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ultimately they would take 300 of those prisoners out of that prison. The Venezuelan intelligence service, the Bellarussian intelligence service and
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the Cubans would give these guys paramilitary training, six weeks of it.
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Crypto, how to do fires, how to do weapons, how to do organ, all sorts of covert organization. They put the 300 of
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them in the United States and they opened up 20 offices. And then when the Biden administration opened up the floodgates,
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5,000 people poured into the United States who were Venezuelan gang members from trained Elar Aagua and fell in under those 20 offices.
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We went to the Biden administration on this. Look, when you go back to the election stuff, and we went to the Biden administration on that, too. Yeah,
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we hold on. Let me stop you. the Biden administration not going to do anything about it because he allegedly got 80 something million votes. So that’s obvious.
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No, the Biden administration was going to p we went and met someone an FBI officer during the Biden administration and in in Washington DC in a law firm
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and that FBI officer after seeing our three-hour briefing said, “Mr. Bernson,
Chapter 5: 70 Countries Penetrated
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I recommend you and your business partner flee the city because when my supervisors find out what you’re doing,
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they’re going to destroy your investigation. They’re going to find ways to to prosecute you. They’ll plant things on your computer. They’ll do anything to destroy you.
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I would have to leave the United States for a year and live in Switzerland as we were continuing the investigation.
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You know, here I am someone that served in the armed forces in the United States in the Air Force. Served, you know, four years, you know, 24 years in the CI, 28
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years total service to the government. I have to flee the United States to participate in an investigation that is targeted at our destruction.
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It’s Gary Bernson. Gary, let me stop you for a second. It’s a former CIA senior operations officer. The guy who along with Martin, what’s his last name? Rodil
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Rodil Rodal. He and Martine Rodil did the investig. They did the whistleblowing. They did the investigation that was now exposed in
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stolen elections. The book by Ralph Pazulo. I got to take you back to some of what you said. There’s so much there,
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but my brain’s going on, you know, 100 miles an hour. I’m sorry.
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No, no, don’t be sorry. That was incredible information. Does Hugo Chavez lose that election if they don’t steal it? I mean, was he going to lose?
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They lost it. They flipped 20%. You know, he would have lost 604, but he won it 6040.
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And is it true that Maduro that Maduro really lost 7030? That they didn’t have been an investigation finds that the the the the the guy who could who took him
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on the opposition was absolutely going to win and then loses by a lot. So, was that going they just been stealing them all along, the whole 16 years?
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And they’ve been stealing them globally. Look, and what’s even worse is this.
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People in the United States government knew this. Well, why did they let the machines in?
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Because they wanted to they wanted to control it.
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Look, people in in the intelligence community in the IC people in USAD, the
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State Department knew what this was were using it. Look, there was an organization called SEPs, okay? It’s an NG a non-governmental organization.
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Yeah.
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In Arlington, Virginia. It got over $6.9 billion dollar from USAID to fund
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Smartmatics elections in dozens of countries. There were 70 countries around the world, but the funding went into 30 of them. And they flipped
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countries and turned them all left. And so there was a massive effort
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[clears throat]
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to undermine constitutional governance in the United States and to move the world left politically.
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And if you move it and if you move it left if you miss if you move it left politically then the globalist can control it. The WF can control it. The thing stopping them from taking over the
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globe is us and our constitution. It’s Gary Burnson. Gary, where can people follow you? Are you an ex? Where are you?
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No, I I I I just do interviews once in a while. I’m not on social media. I want everybody to read the book. Yes.
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Stolen elections by Ralph Pazulo. I did a I did a video before the election in 2024 [clears throat] where I came out and did a 16-minute video that said,
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“Hey, this is a terrible problem. Both Smartmatic and Dominion are have have software created by the Venezuelan
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government and and and hardware that is Chinese.” Look, in addition to the to the source code being in Venezuela, the
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hardware is manufactured 60 miles outside of Beijing. Wow.
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I mean, so you got you got source code and software from Venezuela, hardware in China. What could possibly go wrong?
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Let me ask you I want to ask you a couple of questions about the investigation. And again, you’ve got me going a million miles an hour, which is great. I absolutely love it. And I think the people watching and listening are
Chapter 6: The Chinese Hardware Connection
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going to learn a lot from this. We were told by people who ran the Dominion or Smartmatic machines that they were not connectable to any sort of a local area
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network or even a W. They couldn’t get on the internet, which of course later we found out that they could. Even their own training videos said you can. All
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right. So, well, it’s a simple question then cuz I know technology pretty well.
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I built my own studio. The whole thing I built computers. Having said that, it would be very easy to tell if something can or cannot connect to the internet.
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Why did we not investigate? They said it doesn’t. We just believed it.
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They had people inside of CISA, the Cyber Infrastructure Security Agency.
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I hate that organization, by the way. I hate CISA. Yeah.
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When when when individuals complained about the potential corruption, they would call Smartmatic and Dominion on
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the phone and coordinate their responses with the criminals. And and so individuals in CISA understood what was
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happening and were aiding them. This is we’re going to learn that many people in the United States were aiding these
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people and we’re participating with these people. You don’t need a lot of them once you’ve got the technology down
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and you deploy the infrastructure. But let me step back for one thing, please.
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Smartmatic did the world Dominion got all the contracts in the United States. They split the world up these guys.
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Okay? They had an agreement between them. Dominion controlled the swing states in the United States. And
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Dominion opened up a research office in Bgrade, Serbia. And in Bgrade, Serbia,
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there were 98 individuals that were system administrators that were Serbians,
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Venezuelans, and Chinese controlling the swing states and controlling key elections and deciding who would win.
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That had to be because we let them.
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There’s no way anybody who loves America would allow for those three entities to be involved in our elections whatsoever.
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So you’re saying this was absolutely an inside job or else those machines don’t get there.
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A combination of them. But look, they stole they they weren’t ready for Trump in 16. That was a shocker for them. Right.
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They thought that he was a joke and they didn’t realize the the the incredible political force that he would be
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in 2020. They probably stole at least 15 million votes uh across the country at least to put Biden in office. In 2024,
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they were blocked. We were aware of what they were doing. A small [clears throat]
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group of very brave American technicians, interrupted the Serbian operation, blocked them, and Trump was
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able to win. Others have gone on the internet and said, “Oh, Cyber Command did this and that.” Wrong. was a very small team of Americans who were
Chapter 7: Georgia’s 315,000 “Ghost” Ballots
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patriots good that were very skilled that stopped them from stealing 2024. Had they stolen the election in 2024,
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they would and and and put taken control of the Senate, they would have instituted the widen plan, which was like 24 people in the Supreme Court.
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They were going to add 13 more people to that, make multiple things, and they would have altered our constitutional
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republic. This is this is this was very dangerous. We came very close to losing the country.
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It’s uh Gary Bernson. Get this book.
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It’s called Stonal Elections. When I had Ralph on, I asked him something that you just already alluded to. How did Trump win in 24? You just told us how he won
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in 24. But let me ask you this. Why does Fox pay $787 million to Dominion if Dominion, we have proof through your
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investigation that Dominion did things that it shouldn’t have been doing? And and by the way, is it true that Dominion doesn’t even exist anymore? Is that really right? Good questions.
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First off, we briefed Fox’s lawyers. We showed them everything. They had the information. They knew.
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We briefed Fox’s lawyers. Wow.
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Too. And then they got on their knees for the cartel and they knew they were innocent. And so my question is to not is to the board of Fox and to Paul Ryan,
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former speaker of the house,
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who’s on the board, right? Did you get on your knees? Why did you collude and allow the cartel to do this? Was it your
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hatred for Donald Trump or was there some other reason for this? Yeah.
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But but but I would ask former speaker of the house who’s on the board and he knew I and my partner had that
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information and he refused to allow our information to be used in their defense and is is what we’ve been told. I wasn’t
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a witness to the thing, but we’ve had people tell us this. Yeah.
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And so Fox paid 700 purportedly has paid $760 uh7.5 million. And once they did that,
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it’s it created a silence across the country because if Fox was willing to pay that, it must be true. They, you know,
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well, Gary, every every single network stopped talking about Dominion. They were scared to death. In fact, many networks put out a statement saying, “We
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have never questioned Dominion and the Dominion systems.” So, this, if I’m if I’m getting what you’re laying down, is a ruse to make people stop questioning it.
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Exactly. Look, once we once I did my video before the election and and the team went after them, the the guys in
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Serbia, I assumed I would probably that the left might win in the United States and that I would spend much of the rest of my life in prison and fighting a leftist government in America.
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Fortunately, that didn’t happen. And and fortunately, we have a President Donald Trump who’s fighting back what they did yesterday in Georgia. Yeah.
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Grabbing those ballots. Beautiful.
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I I want to talk about that at length. I I want to talk about that cuz that was a major story that just happened. It’s Gary Bernson. Get this book called Stolen Elections. Stolen elections written by Ralph Pizzulo or Yeah.
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Pizulo. And also it’s based on the research by this man and Martin Rodil.
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So Martin Rodal.
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Martin Rodil. Okay. Let me let me let me get into some questions about Dominion.
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Why doesn’t it ex exist anymore? If you pay me $767 million, I’m a pretty healthy business. Why is it gone? What happened?
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So people Okay, so here’s so people have to understand with Dominion. Smartmatic is created in Venezuela. They come into the United States first. They they they
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can’t operate because they won’t say who they are. They wind up buying a company called uh SEOA. uh CPHAS, it’s a uh an
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investigative body, goes after them and they wound up selling it to Dominion,
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which is a Canadian company in Toronto that had only run one small election in
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in Canada, re a local election. And actually their that company was out of a George Soros like startup incubator,
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business incubator. No surprise there. No.
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And so John Paulace has been on television. He’s been on with Anderson Cooper on 60 Minutes. Lied his ass off.
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Didn’t know anything about Venezuela.
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You know, he’s like, “I’m a mounty. I’m a wonderful guy. This is I’m just Canadian. Don’t know anything about this.” [laughter]
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Total liar. And and and he employed a bunch of the Venezuelans, key Venezuelans, who integrated the source
Chapter 8: The Fox News Settlement & The Truth
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code into their into their their their machinery. And he’s he’s completely guilty. And so he sold the company because once I went public and everybody
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else came public, all the other people um you know they realized they were caught. We we have their source code and
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and um so you know the point here is is that you know they none of them sued me.
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They didn’t sue Ralph. They didn’t sue Martine. Everybody else has been sued. Rudy was sued. Cydney Powell was sued, right?
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Mike Lindell was sued. Nobody sued me, Martine or Ralph. You know why? Discovery. All their information discovery,
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right? It’s obvious. Well, well, does the media still exist or not? Did they sell it or or did they get rid of it? Does it still exist?
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Another company called Liberty, but but the source code is still in there. Okay,
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there’s a problem here. We have to get rid of all electronic voting. You know,
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you you look, if if if India this if if the country of India with 1.5 billion people could do it on paper ballots, we can do it on paper ballots. We can do Oh, we did it on paper ballots forever.
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Yeah. We didn’t have to go to the to these machines at all. But but but the trick the trick was, Gary, they convinced Americans that technology is always better.
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Technology is always better. It’s foolproof. It’s not a a human being that’s adjusting anything. What you vote for is what you’re going to get. I hope we’re waking up now. Let me ask you
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this. How much was the Venezuelan capture of Maduro and his wife? How much of that was about the 2020 election? Do you think that played a role?
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A lot. Look, there’s there’s another piece to this. There’s an individual by the name of Yugo Carvajal, the chief of
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military counter intelligence. He’s sitting in New York in a prison.
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He’s written a letter to Donald Trump openly stating, “I was involved. I sent my people over there. We stole your
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elections globally.” There’s another general in jail in the United States named Clever Alcala. He wrote a letter
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saying yes this other general and he names the guy was sent over there you know Carlos Cano Carlos Cano is the
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deputy you know stole elections and he explains all these things have been put out and and into into the into the
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public eye and the media refuses to cover it because if if conservatives and
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if Donald Trump say it it’s got to be a lie and they they they this is this is all I owe. It’s information operations,
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the news media, the major media are all liars. It’s so terrible to appear in the media for years.
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Well, we agree, Gary. They are liars.
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But at the same time, they can’t possibly say Biden didn’t really win because then they they’ve all that’s it.
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Any credibility they had left is gone if they admit that something went wrong in 20. But soon they’ll have to admit it, won’t they? Let’s talk about Georgia.
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You go into Fulton County, Georgia, and you start collecting records. What might be found there? If you’re investigating it, what are you looking for?
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Well, first off, you’re going to want to look at the uh you’re going to want to see what vestigages you can still find of the source code. You’re going to want
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to look in the DLL file. I mean, there’s a lot of technical things that you want to look at. Look, those machines, there
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are 14 different technical ways to steal an election. And you can use number one and number five, number seven, number eight. They use the same techniques in
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counties that are adjacent. This is a science. And [snorts] they they they’re stealing them on the scanners. They’re stealing it at the tabulator. I mean, we
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we have all the technology. And and by the way, to the to to the Democrats in in in um in um Georgia who are whining
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and crying at the moment. Let me explain to you. We have some of the witnesses are here that are in America that built
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those machines, built the hardware, and they’re testifying to the US government.
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They will show everybody how this works in about 30 seconds. Wow. Okay.
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The people that built those damn machines are here and they’re witnesses to the US government. So you people on the left, it’s over. It’s over.
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Well, it it is over unless we’re not careful about the midterms cuz then they’re just going to they’re going to impeach Donald Trump every day. If the House goes to the Democrats, all of this
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will go away again. And that’s my problem. So, we need to put this in like warp speed and let people understand what happened. You got to move fast. I agree.
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Look, the the challenge the president had was there were so many acts of illegality against him and
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against the country that it’s been difficult. Look, we went as soon as the president got elected, Martine Roodal and I were at the DNI’s office uh briefing them [cough]
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on the machines and we briefed them four or five times and the people were there quite frankly didn’t comprehend what we would they didn’t have the right people in front of them.
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Right. Right. Right. Finally, the president named a very senior guy to the White House who [snorts] who I don’t want to say his name, but he is an expert in all of
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this. Okay? And he is driving a lot of this because he understands the technical aspects and the legal aspects.
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And so the president understands, his senior staff understand, look, we briefed the president’s campaign a month before the election. We showed them the whole thing. They were horrified.
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They were horrified. Well, so in Georgia, we know 315,000 ballots weren’t certified, right? They weren’t signed in the beginning. They weren’t certified at
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the end. We have the video of people pulling these ballots out from underneath tables. And then we have the machines in place that can steal some here, a little bit over there, maybe
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move some over there. Again, at the end of the day, when we walk away from this,
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will it be understandable for the average American exactly what went down?
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Our some of our material will be will be put in the media. Look, they’re able to enter. There was this was uh on a on a
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on a Microsoft system. They were able to enter through three different ways using a thing a tool called Eternal Blue.
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And the the the the passwords, the code numbers to get in were left in the open in three different places. So, you could
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unlock that part and then you had a separate program that you would insert that would then change the algorithm of
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how votes were counted. and then you could back out and cover your traces and there was no evidence that you were ever there. The the most dangerous thing was
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was that at the very end and thank goodness we discovered this when we did is that and I’m not a computer engineer but they created a system that had what
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we call a virtual machine right and they were able to use that component of the virtual machine to steal the election and then when they unplugged
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the virtual machine collapsed into it’s temporary a virtual machine for those watching listening I’ve got a Mac I can put a a Windows virtual machine on my
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Mac I can put another Windows virtual machine on my Windows machine and once I shut the virtual machine off. It’s gone like it never existed. That’s bad.
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Had we not found them in this cycle,
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it it there might not have been an opportunity in the future. It would have been more difficult. But look, we did this with human human intelligence. Yes.
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Finding individuals who were involved in the crime, recruiting them, convincing them to assist us and cooperating with us, recruiting other people. We had a
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dozen sources. And again, I’ll say his name, Patrick Burn, and the other person, Mike, General Mike Flint. God bless those two men.
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They put everything on the line to come in with us. You know, Patrick spent tens of millions of his of his own money.
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We’re bankrupt. We’ve bankrupted ourselves essentially, but that’s okay. You know, we’ll make the money back, right?
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Um we we used everything we could because we were not going to have our constitutional republic destroyed.
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And I and I love that you’re doing it. I love that you’re speaking out about it. Gary Bernson, he’s a whistleblower, former CIA, senior operations officer.
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Let me ask you about Georgia a little bit more because the day before January 6th and that that took all the news cycle away. The day before was the runoff election for both Senate seats.
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Both Senate seats went to Democrats. Is there a chance that that went that way because of what you’re talking about?
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Because that’s a red state and I was stunned to see the Democrats won both those seats giving the the Senate to Democrats. By the way,
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we actually have um the um um the images, court ordered im, you know,
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court images, court-ordered images, and we’re able to use the images with our engineers
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to look how they stole uh an election for Senator Osaf, how they put Osaf uh into office initially.
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And and we could actually run the program in one county and watch how he got one set of votes with the first run through. And then when they put the
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program in that flipped the votes, how what the second one looked like and we were able actually to show that to the uh Trump campaign before the 2024
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presidential election. We showed that to them. Good.
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And um I forgot the name of the senator that lost. He’s he’s actually the uh ambassador in Beijing right now. But um I can’t think of his name either. I don’t know.
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I forgot. Yeah. He got to see how he lost. It’s not Green, is it? Throw it to him. Was it green? Throw it to him. Yeah. Yeah,
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but it was but but Senator Oaf won that election uh that way and then Waro won as well which which seemed unlikely to me too.
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Look, here’s the problem that the the governor of that state had been the secretary of state. He awarded dominion the entire state and I believe his I
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believe his chief of staff became the head of dominion for the state. How convenient.
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Well, wait. Let’s look at the phone call that Trump made because th this is such a a vital piece of information. Trump basically said, “We know there are
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hundreds of thousands of of votes that are in question. We need we just need to find 11,780 because that’s all I needed to to beat Biden.” And they took that to
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mean he wanted them to electioneer and rig it and grab votes.
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Unfortunately unfortunately it was sloppy speech.
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It was improper warning. I agree with you. Yeah. careful because they look in some of these states when like you go to Pennsylvania, it’s like they stole a
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million votes so that Biden could win by 10,000 or something like that. It’s just like the the the lift was so heavy for them to get him across the finish line
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and they but look they indicted Trump over Gary they indicted Trump over that. My god. I mean how deep does this go?
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Let’s put the guy in prison. Look,
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everybody one day is going to look back on this period of time and say, “Wow,
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they were stealing elections.” It’ll be just a fact. Wow.
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And and and they won’t realize the great trouble we went to. Do you know when my partner I was out of the country in in Switzerland watching the election.
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Patrick Burn was, you know, in in Qatar and Martine was in Norway and when he landed, the bureau was waiting for him to grab him at the airport.
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In Norway or back here?
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No. Oh no. When he flew back into the United States after we were out of the country for the election and so when he flew back and he landed, the bureau had
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like put his name in. They had these CBP guys, customs and border patrol to grab him. But Martin had the phone number
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handy of a US prosecutor. There was one prosecutor in the country that was helpful and loyal and stood up for us
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and and that prosecutor got on the phone and chewed their asses and they let him through and they didn’t take his phone or his technology, but they were ready to grab Martine on his return. They were looking for me, too.
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Um, and so, uh, I didn’t return for another couple of months.
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Well, smart. I mean, look, you guys whistleblowing could could save the republic. And I love that you did it. Go get the book called Stolen Elections by Ralph Pazulo. Uh, this is one of the
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investigators. It’s Gary Bernson. Let’s Are all the swing states in play from 2020? Georgia, Wisconsin, Arizona,
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Pennsylvania. We just go down the list. Are they Were they all screwed with?
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Look, let me just say something. We’re talking about Smartmatic and we’re talking about Dominion right now. The big things. Yes.
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These software is an I don’t count any machine as safe. There are other companies out there and I don’t I’m not going to take them on right now.
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Right.
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Uh but don’t if a if a if a someone is selling this software, this this um this
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election electronic software and these electronic election systems, they are all penetrated. They’re all up for sale.
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It is a terrible thing. And the United States has uh almost lost its democracy because of this. Wow. And remember, they steal elections and they defeat audit.
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Defeat audit. Remember that phrase. I’ll give an example. When when you when you put a ballot like a on a scanner, like a
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an absentee ballot, right? A mail-in ballot. You take a picture and then it takes a picture and it takes a picture and then it gets ready to save like 50
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of them or a hundred of them at the same time. At that instant when it’s going to take a picture of them, that 50 that are on the scanner electronically disappear
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and a photo comes in from Bgrade, Serbia with all the votes that you want. Then boom. And then if you do an audit,
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you’re not allowed to look at the votes in the box. You look at the screen.
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Wow, that’s sick. I mean, it’s very very complex, but I mean, it’s it’s actually sick that we can’t trust our elections. Let me ask you about Arizona quickly.
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What was the story about the the They deleted it illegally against election law. We just deleted the the entire file. Somehow they restored it and recovered it. But they tried to get rid
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of the evidence. Does that mean that everybody there who was that just somebody being dumb or was that somebody who said, “I got to get rid of this?”
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No, they get rid of it. They know they have to get rid of it. They know they’re stealing elections. And and the the punishment for steal for for you know
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destroying records is less than the punishment for getting caught stealing the election. Wow. So they destroy the records every opportunity they get. They
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destroy the records. It’s amazing they didn’t destroy the records in 2020.
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Well, yeah. No, I’m stunned by I’m stunned by that. I’m sure some of it has been. It’s uh Gary Bernson. Gary, I want to talk to you again soon. I want to
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finish with this because this is vitally important right now. The midterm is not far away. If that goes to the left, to the progressive left, if it goes to the
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Marxist, if it goes to the WF, if if the House and Senate or one or the other goes to the left, we’re in big trouble.
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Are these machines going to be used coming up in this November’s election?
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I I would hope that the president will be able to make a compelling argument to
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um uh block the use of these things across the country. We can’t use them.
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They are they um and we have to just show every state has to see that it’s full of Chinese software which is
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targeting us. Look, the software was was not soft or the hardware made in Beijing, sent over to Taiwan,
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whitelabeled, made in Taiwan, not then shipped to America. That was a lie, too.
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And I mean, we know everything about everybody. We have their software. Now,
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the president is is is is moving forward finally. This has been too slow. And I I blame the intel community. Look, the
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Central Intelligence Agency, my old former employer, they knew about this.
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They knew about this. There’s some explaining that needs to go on.
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Yeah, but now time is of the essence though, Gary. We’re running out of time before the midterms. That’s my problem.
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And you’re right. It’s been like molasses. But when you’ve got a swamp, a swamp is going to make it like molasses.
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I get that. So So these machines might be in use. I I know that you’re not a lawyer. Can the president do an executive order saying no more machines?
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Do you need legislation to pass saying no more machines? How do you do that?
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Because generally speaking, the general elections are run by state legislators.
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Yeah, I know. You’re going to need I think there’s going to have to be some sort of um uh of ruling on national
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security uh that these are are a threat that this technology is a threat to the United States, right?
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It’s going to have to be technology based that none of these election machines can be used because, you know,
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first people said there’s no Chinese technology. Now they’re admitting there’s 59%. Are you kidding me? And I mean it’s it’s it’s this whole thing is
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a it’s it’s the worst fraud ever conducted on the United States. It was the greatest threat to America since the Civil War.
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Who who does it? The DNI, the NSA, who the intel community, as you said, could be in cahoots. Who does it and gives that report so the American people say,
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“Yeah, we better just fill out a paper ballot.”
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Um that is going to be that’s up to the that’s going to be a question for the president. Okay. and um and the president’s going to have to decide
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which um technical component of the government will lead that effort. But we we we h he has to block these machines.
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You can’t use them. He’s got to find a a legal way to deny entry of the machines
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into our lives because they have been used by the it’s the Cubans, the Russians and the Chinese and the Iranians all knew who was going to be
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elected president in 2020 when Donald Trump had the election stolen from him.
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The Iranian foreign minister was sitting in Caracus watching the election with Maduro. That is stunning.
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It’s Gary Bernson, former CIA senior operations officer. He’s an author. He’s a whistleblower. And he’s a guy who’s telling us the truth about what’s happening with our elections. And I hope
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you’ll go get this book called Stolen Elections. Gary, let’s do it again soon.
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Incredible information. I really loved having you on. Thank you, sir.
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Really appreciate you. That’s it for Unshaken, Unafraid with Joe Pags. This time, another one to drop very soon. We’ll see you then.
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