Interview Date: November 2024 (Post-Election Interview)
Originally Published: November 20, 2024
Re-Published: June 15 2026
Participants:
• Bob Rust, Esq. — Interviewer
• Clint Curtis — Computer Programmer, Election Integrity Advocate, Former Attorney
Interview Title:
Clint Curtis on the 2024 Election, Electronic Voting Systems, and Election Reform. Bob Rust Interviews Clint Curtis
Bob Rust Interviews Clint Curtis
Attorney Bob Rust interviews election integrity advocate Clint Curtis in a post-election discussion examining electronic voting systems, election certification procedures, public confidence in election results, and proposed election reforms. Curtis reviews his background as a computer programmer and discusses concerns regarding computerized vote tabulation, election auditing, ballot verification, election transparency, and public oversight of election administration. The conversation explores election controversies surrounding the 2020 and 2024 election cycles, the role of election certification, proposals associated with HandCountUSA, and methods intended to allow citizens to independently verify election outcomes. Throughout the interview, Curtis argues that transparent, verifiable election procedures are essential to maintaining public trust and confidence in the electoral process.
Transcript Quote References
Note: Times shown below are transcript timestamps. Page references correspond to the PDF transcript.
PROGRAMMERS CAN ALTER COMPUTERIZED ELECTION SYSTEMS
“Once you take control of the environment, once you are the programmer, you own that universe. Which means you change anything you want in it and nobody will ever be able to catch it.”
— Clint Curtis
Transcript Time: 02:30
Transcript Page: p. 2
PROGRAMMERS CAN CHANGE ELECTION RESULTS
“One or two programmers can put code in that can change the entire system. And if you don’t check it, you’ll never find it.”
— Clint Curtis
Transcript Time: 11:05
Transcript Page: p. 11
HAND-COUNTED PAPER BALLOTS
“It has to be a hand counted, hand marked…”
— Clint Curtis
Transcript Time: 12:10
Transcript Page: p. 11
DON’T RELY ON BALLOT IMAGES
“Don’t count on the ballot images.”
— Clint Curtis
Transcript Time: 12:10
Transcript Page: p. 11
PROGRAMMERS CREATE THE BALLOT IMAGES
“The programmer that actually is counting your vote also is creating that image.”
— Clint Curtis
Transcript Time: 12:10
Transcript Page: p. 11
LOCAL PRECINCT COUNTING WITH PUBLIC VIDEO OBSERVATION
“Basically, it takes all ballots, puts them in the precinct, and then they count them in the precinct on camera so everybody can see them. Every citizen can watch every ballot…”
— Clint Curtis
Transcript Time: 22:27
Transcript Page: p. 16
PUBLIC VIDEO RECORD OF THE COUNT
“Every count is right there on video for everyone to see.”
— Clint Curtis
Transcript Time: 22:56
Transcript Page: p. 16
ELIMINATING DEPENDENCE ON MACHINES
“Nobody is going to let these politicians control the elections again. It’s going to be the people’s election and they will throw these machines away…”
— Clint Curtis
Transcript Time: 24:23
Transcript Page: p. 17
PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF ELECTIONS
“The people need to control their own elections.”
— Clint Curtis
Transcript Time: 30:36
Transcript Page: p. 20
The transcript Robert N Rust III CLINT CURTIS.docx has been verified against the video and is believed to be the post-November 2024 election follow-up interview, regardless of later webpage dates assigned during site reconstruction.
Transcript Note
This video begins with the standard USA Citizens Network animated introduction, which is not transcribed.
Approximate timeline:
• 00:00–00:32 — USA Citizens Network animated introduction and music
• 00:32 — Bob Rust begins speaking
• 01:47 — Bob Rust recalls a statement made by Clint Curtis during their pre-election October 2024 interview: “I’m not controversial. I’m just ignored.”
• 02:36 — Bob Rust asks Clint Curtis to provide a brief personal and professional background.
• 02:39 — Clint Curtis begins his opening remarks and discusses his background as a computer programmer and his involvement with electronic voting systems.
Publication Note
Based on transcript content and video review, this interview appears to be a post-election follow-up discussion recorded after the November 2024 election. The current webpage publication date may reflect a later website reconstruction or republication date rather than the original publication date.
The publication date for this interview has been updated to November 20, 2024. During the restoration and reconstruction of archived USA Citizens Network content, some webpage publication dates reflected later migration or republication activity. Based on transcript content, video review, and available archival records, this interview is believed to have originally been recorded and published following the November 2024 election.
