Attorney Robert N. Rust III and Lehigh County Republican Committee Chairman Joe Vichot Interview Clint Curtis
Participants
• Clint Curtis — Attorney, Computer Programmer, and Election Integrity Advocate
• Attorney Robert N. Rust III — USA Citizens Network Interviewer
• Joe Vichot — Chairman, Lehigh County Republican Committee
Interview Date
October 2024
Description
Pre–November 2024 General Election Interview
Transcript Runtime
Approximately 61 Minutes
Summary
Recorded prior to the November 2024 General Election, this USA Citizens Network interview features attorney, computer programmer, and election-integrity advocate Clint Curtis. Attorney Robert N. Rust III and Lehigh County Republican Committee Chairman Joe Vichot interview Curtis regarding electronic voting systems, election integrity, election-system vulnerabilities, and proposed election reforms.
Curtis discusses his background as a software developer and former congressional witness who testified under oath regarding electronic voting software. He explains why he believes election results generated by computerized voting systems require independent public verification and argues that transparency is essential to maintaining public confidence in elections.
The discussion examines electronic voting systems, software-based vote-manipulation risks, ballot scanners, source-code access, machine testing, election audits, ballot images, and public verification of election results. Curtis argues that computer programmers ultimately control how election software records, tabulates, stores, and reports votes, making independent verification critical.
The interview also addresses Pennsylvania election procedures, limitations of machine-based audits, congressional testimony regarding electronic voting systems, and reforms intended to make election results transparent, publicly observable, and independently verifiable.
Key Topics:
Electronic Voting Systems; Election Integrity; Election Audits; Source Code; Ballot Images; Paper Ballots; Hand Counts; Election Transparency; Pennsylvania Election Procedures; Lehigh County Elections; Public Verification of Election Results
Selected Quotes from Transcript
“If it’s a computer program, the programmer controls it. I am the god of this universe.”
Video Time: ~07:30
Transcript PDF Page: 3
“There’s only what the programmer puts in for a log. You can write those logs. Nothing is automatic.”
Video Time: ~07:55
Transcript PDF Page: 3
“If I make a ballot image and I want a different ballot image, I’m the one making the ballot image.”
Video Time: ~08:05
Transcript PDF Page: 4
“It’s impossible. You just have to get the vote away from the computer.”
Video Time: ~08:33
Transcript PDF Page: 4
“You can’t use these computers to do your elections.”
Video Time: ~14:15
Transcript PDF Page: 6
“In Europe they use paper ballots, count them by hand.”
Video Time: ~15:10
Transcript PDF Page: 6
“The only manual audit you will catch a programmer with is if you count every ballot.”
Video Time: ~21:30
Transcript PDF Page: 9
“They never were able to get the source code to these machines. Not once.”
Video Time: ~25:15
Transcript PDF Page: 11
“We can build a process where every county can hand-count elections.”
Video Time: ~29:00
Transcript PDF Page: 13
“You don’t need twenty-five million people to count a precinct. You need five or six, and you’re done.”
Video Time: ~31:45
Transcript PDF Page: 14
Note: Video times are approximate transcript timestamps. Page references correspond to the transcript PDF.
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